or steel aspects from it -- emulate their engagement policy or steal aspects from a? >> there is not a perfect model. look at some of the work that is happening in india, for example, to try to attract foreign investment and entrepreneurs. i'm not sure -- it is still very early in terms of the results of their. for the last three decades, the u.s. has had, historically, a very healthy immigration policy, but in the last decade or so we have kind of gone the other way. when you think about it, the number of immigrants that have come in and built amazing companies and created jobs in the hundreds of thousands, we cannot be looking at other markets because there is not a perfect model, but we need to look back of the 1970's in the u.s. as an historical model. we have a lot of immigration. a lot of people came in with science, technology, engineering, mathematics backgrounds. if you look at silicon valley, you see the results. >> i spent seven years of my life painfully on the commission of immigration reform which was chaired by barbara jordan and 1990's. i think the wa